“For me, it's been a regular devotional time every day and inviting my family to do it also. That's how to keep accountable with devotional time . . . I have one devotional that I do with my family. Actually, before that, I’d like to do by myself.”

“I think spiritual retreats we do that at [my] conference, it’s really one of the most awesome [experiences]….. And our conference does it spring and fall. And we can go up to our summer camp, and they pay for the food—it’s wonderful. But it’s just three days, and most of it is silent, and then we have sometimes with group activities, but just getting away.”

“When I was spiritually dry, I never had that burning bush experience, when some big thing happened. It came to me in small things. Like a song service, a day off, [having] conversations with [another] pastor, just some small things . . . And if you recognize the small moment, you get that ‘Aha’ moment. That works for me. As I said, a day off, just something relaxing.”

“I feel like ministry hasn't always been easy. But I am thankful for that because the difficult times are the times where my spiritual life is easier. It’s when things are going smooth and feel like you got it, that you’re going down.”

“Sometimes you need to sit back and then let others minister to you. Because that is so crucial. They have been placed there to also help you to journey through your pain, or your circumstances. And so [how do I do] it in my church? I preach twice, maximum, a month and the rest I distribute, because I want the other ministers to do it.”